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itting the murders in a depraved manner. the case is going to move to the second phase in which the defense will argue why holmes should not be receive the death penalty. that's it for now, i'm ayman mohyeldin in for alex wagner. "the ed show" is up next. welcome to "the eds show." live from minnesota, let's go to work pop. donald trump heads to the center of the storm today. >> it's so dangerous what you're doing mr. trump, it's so dangerous what you're doing, i have to do it. i am going on a tour, we're making it to the border. video out of milwaukee, it has a lot of people in that city on edge with good reason. >> everyone looked at it and said, i think this is a lion. >> the lion hasn't been seen since monday morning. the bad news is the lion hasn't been seen since monday morning. >> fast food workers in new york
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state are a step closer to making $15 an hour. >> a significant win for the ongoing fight. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching we start with donald trump at the mexican border, what could be better after all the conversation leading up to it moments ago, trump visited laredo texas to get a firsthand look at the border. he spoke to the press and stood by his controversial comments on immigration. >> there's great danger with the illegals, we're just discussing that we have a tremendous danger on the border with the illegals coming in. >> have you seen any proof to confirm your fears that mexico is sending its criminals across the border? >> yes, i have. >> what evidence have you seen in. >> we'll show you the evidence. >> trump made it clear he wants the wall on the border. >> are you still in nave of a wall? >> yeah, in certain sections you have to have a wall, absolutely. >> and -- >> by the way, the wall will
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save you a tremendous amount of money. but you absolutely -- there are areas that you have to have the wall. >> originally trump was invited to tour the border with a local chapter of the border patrol union, today they pulled out of the event. the union released a statement saying, after careful consideration of all the factorsful voed in this event. communication with members of the national border patrol council at the national level, it's been decided by local 2455 to pull out of all events involving donald trump. this is not a good move as i see it. why? the big boys don't want any heat from washington? the union had originally planned to give trump a boots on the ground tour of the border? where's the harm in that? trump of course responded in typical fashion. >> well, they're petree tide and afraid of saying what's happening.
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they are the ones of invited me. they're afraid of saying what's happening, because they have a real problem here. i'm talking on the entire border, and then they invited me and were told silence. >> so we as americans are we're not able to figure this out? the boots on the ground, the people who are there working locally, wanted the guy to come down and get a look at what you've been talking about is happening here. someone at a higher level said you can't do that, that will cause too much of a riff. that doesn't look good on all fronts. trump again a winner. he was willing to go down there and check it out. for him to be stopped right there, speaks volumes of the problem. fellow presidential candidate, rick perry is slamping trum's
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border visit. as a known employer of illegal immigrant labor donald frump's record on border security is nonexistent. it's going to take more than a day trip for him to convince the american people he is anything but a hypocrite when it comes to border security. earlier today, trump responded to governor perry. >> well i think rick perry did a terrible job as the governor of texas where the border security was terrible. your new governor of texas is doing a great job. governor abbott is doing a great job. rick perry, honestly, i don't think he understands what it means. he's following my lead absolutely. i took a lot of heat the first week, the second week, everyone realized i was right. >> trump's opponents haven't been holding back in recent days. donald trump is dominating recent national polls. other candidates are doing their
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best to chip away at his lead. back in my old radio days, if you want to have the number one radio station in town, you have to be the most talked about radio station in the world. it's the oldest formula in the world, trump is using it. the new angle to all of this is that he is out flanking all of the other candidates when it comes to the use of social media. i am personally following donald trump because i'm entertained by the guy. he's unpredictable, he's aggressive, and there's never a dull moment. can't we have just a little bit of fun in politics any more? get your cell phones out, i want to know what you think. do you think trump's proposal of a border wall is a good idea? go to pulse.msnbc.com/ed to cast your vote. i'll bring you the results later on in the show. in no way was that an endorsement of trump. i just like the entertainment
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factor. let me bring in henry fernandez, also with us tonight heidi harris, host of the heidi harris radio show. heidi, you first. you know what it is, you want the number one radio station in town, you got to be the most talked about radio station in town. donald trump has taken a page that's been used for years in people's playbooks, is it going to work for the long hall? >> i don't know if it will work for the long haul, we have a year to go. when you think about the wall, there are two lakes on the border between mexico and the united states, as you well know. where are you going to put the wall, in the middle of the alake? where are you going to put the wall? on our side of the rio grande, so all of the livestock that survives by drinking out of the rio grande will die? i'm tired of talking about a wall, it's not practical, it's not happening. >> it doesn't look good on all
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fronts. >> this union has had an interesting history with regard to working closely with anti-immigrant groups. so this is actually a very odd situation, i was very surprised that they backed off. i think rick perry's in a very interesting position he has probably grand standed on the border issues more than anyone. for him to be calling out donald trump is really odd. and let's remember, it was rick perry who kind of started this lie around the border in texas, when he sent national guard troops to the border to address a surge of children who are fleeing violence from places like honduras. and he sent the troops there, they showed up months late, the problem had largely subsided he got his press conference. he's been working very hard to push this lie. donald trump has usurped it, and
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now he's upset. >> heidi why do you think the union pulled out. why did they reverse course on donald trump, when he is the candidate that brought forth their issue. >> i think the same thing you said, the higherups told them not to do it it's wrong. all they're going to do is escort them around. what's anybody afraid of? let the guy take a look at it, i don't see why anyone would want to do that. >> are you surprised that trump is basically, he is leading in the national polls right now, but why, heidi? why is trump out there? do the american people or should i say the republicans that are being polled agree with him on immigration issues? are they that radical and this is just a scab being ripped off? >> i think he's sucking out all the air in the press. he has a lot of pt barnum in him. if he wants to be serious about the border he needs to know who el chapo is.
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when they asked him about it he didn't know who it was. it's kind of an issue, don't you think, donald? that was a mistake. >> why is he polling so well? has he ripped the scab off the republicans in a sense. do they agree with him on immigration? >> this is a lie that's been told to republican voters for some time by people like rick perry, even john mccain had that ad when he was running for office. build the damage fence. it's a lie though. over the last eight years we have a million fewer undocumented immigrants in the country. more undocumented immigrants are leaving the country than are coming. the pugh research center which is kind of the touchstone organization that looks at issues of immigration in the country has recently indicated that we now have fewer undocumented mexicans coming to the country at any time since 1970. this is a lie, and now that they
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told that lie, they're now surprised that donald trump has been able to really take the lead by talking about exactly what they've been talking about for years. so i'm not surprised that he's leading, other republican leaders told this lie first, and he is now the beneficiary of it. >> what's the lie? >> what's the lie? there are people who are coming to our country illegal who are committing crimes. there are many that are not committing crimes. there are tons of illegals who are committing crimes. ask katie steinle's family how she feels about that, that's not a lie, that's a truth. >> first of o, i think what we have to be honest about here is the actual numbers of people who are coming across the border, and that number is very small at this point. barack obama has deported more people than any president in the history of the united states. so clearly what's happened is, we have a lot of stability at the border now, the lie is continuing to say that we have an unsecure border. do we have to address those
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people who are criminals who have engaged in criminal activity? make sure they're in prison make sure they're deported of course we do. the lie is saying that there's a problem at the border around border security when we spend at this point more on immigration enforcement, some $18 billion than we do on all federal law enforcement combined. so this is a problem that's largely been resolved. the lie is continuing to say that it's a problem when it's not. >> that's ridiculous. there are going to be people dying in the desert all summer long who are going to tell you you're wrong. people are dying trying to get here, which is unfair to them. we lie to tell them you get here -- >> heidi do you think -- >> to resolve that issue people can talk legally. >> your version is let everyone come in. >> that's exactly what i said, heidi, very clearly. >> do you think trump is overselling the issue if you look at the numbers. there is a 57% drop over the
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last -- i think i read 12 years. >> that's right. you look at the window from 2003 to 2007 and then the window from 2009 to 2012. there's a 57% drop in the number of folks coming across the border. i mean, so it sounds like trump is over selling this. you don't buy that? >> i think it's not the only thing he's talking about but i think it's touched a nerve with a lot of people and, of course as you know, with kate steinle being murdered by an illegal who had been deported numerous times. if our border is so secure how did this guy get back in the country? that's a lie. >> i don't think anybody's saying that there's a lie in the number s numbers if you got a 57% increase in pay, you would think that's a good thing. if you had a 57% decrease in pay, you would be upset about it. this is from the university of texas in austin did this study
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and the university of new hampshire, i mean -- >> but it doesn't matter. >> they're coming across in droves or they're not. the fact is, the obama administration has fooled the resources on the border since the last administration when ittechnology, when it comes to manpower, overtime and fences that have already been put up i wonder how the conservatives are going to grab on to this and support trump's argument. if there's reduction in numbers, i mean, is he overselling this? that's the question? >> i don't think he is but it doesn't matter what the numbers are, if one person gets into the country, in and out in and out, in and out and kills your daughter, that's one too many. ask the family members who were testifying this week in congress about illegals who killed their children. ask them if they think not enough people are coming across the border any more. it's all nice and secure. >> i guess we could come to the conclusion there might be more murders if the obama administration had done what the last folks had done.
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i guess we could speculate on that. >> well i'm not -- >> i appreciate your time tonight, thanks so much. >> remember to answer tonight's question at pulse.msnbc.com/ed. we'll have the results after the break. follow us on facebook, like me on facebook, appreciate that. you can get my video pod cast at wegoted.com. donald trump could turn the election into a three-ring circus. what a third party candidate would mean to the race in 2016 the fight for $15 continues. we'll look at the progress being made across the country to raise the minimum wage, stay with us. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze
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and the numbers are pouring in. here's where we stand on tonight's poll. do you think trump's proposal of a border wall is a good idea? only 28% think they're going to stand there with the donald on this one.
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what if donald trump runs? on a third party ticket? if trump runs as an independent i mean, can we come to the conclusion it was almost guaranteeing a democrat in the white house. donald trump threatened the rnc with a third party run. the rnc has not been supportive, they were always supportive when i was a contributor. i was their fair haired boy. the rnc has been foolish. when asked if he would run as a third party candidate trump said i'll have to see how i'm being treated by the republicans. absolutely, if they're not fair, that would be a factor earlier
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today, trump backtracked on this threat. >> look i'm a republican i'm a conservative, i'm in first place by a lot, it seems. i want to run as a republican. i think i'll get the nomination. we'll see soon enough, the best way for me to win is get the nomination. run against hillary. hillary is the worst -- easily she's the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. >> he wants to get the nomination, but he didn't answer the question if he would run as a third party candidate. let me bring in my panel. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. lani, you first you're sleeping very good the more publicity
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donald trump gets, aren't you? this is really -- music to your ears as you go to sleep at night as opposed to the republicans, isn't it? >> i've actually been very, very busy, in fact i'm on my way right after this appearance to the latest meeting of democrats for trump and we're organizing to help them. he didn't really back away in that interview. he didn't answer the question. he didn't say no i won't it was a threat. all i can say is, while there's some humor involved this man is a despicable repulsive hater who should not be ahead in the polls, and it says a lot about the republican party base or people who are so far out that they don't join me in those words, that's what this man is. >> david corn i was astounded that two sitting united states senators would respond with
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videos to donald trump, that to me underscores this guy is a force to be reckoned with politically. how terrified are the republicans and how serious is this threat of possibly a third candidate if he doesn't get the respect he wants? >> donald trump has shown he can stay in this race as nominee or not as nominee for as long as he cares to. he doesn't need to spend money on ads he gets all the free media he could ask for he doesn't need to have a big operation, he has his own plane. he has a lot of cash on hand if he needs to or stocks he can turn into cash. this guy can very quickly move from the republican nomination contest to not a third party. we call it an independent run. it's not too difficult to get on the ballot in most states if you do it with the right amount of time. i do think -- it's obvious.
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this is why lany has formed democrats for trump. if you look at states like florida, ohio, swing states. this could be the determining distinction in the results. so it puts the republicans in a very obvious bind. they get him too mad and he takes his ball and goes on an independent run. if they treat him too well he taints the party with his rhetoric and positions on immigration reform and other things. >> i mean, lanny davis, isn't donald trump say you better respect me or there's going to be big trouble ahead? isn't that what the message is, and he's not going to pay attention to anybody except the people who are following him? >> that's what he's say inging and
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there's a certain group that are saying i am for him. are you really for him to make a statement on this particular immigration issue? or do you really think you want him as your president? that's a big difference even as a third party candidate. ralph nader got 3, 4, 5% in some states that made the difference in george w. bush versus al gore. he can pick up a handful of votes. i agree with david korn. i haven't 11/that very often. >> i'm getting out of here ed. >> won't happen. the thing is i do think the important thing about donald trump is that he is speaking for a large block of grassroot republican voters. >> i think he is too. >> i don't think it's just on immigration reform. i will mildly disagree with lani
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on this, there are one out of five one out of four republican voters who just want a venter in chief. either the same people who thought obama was a secret muslim. they're fed up and they want a guy, even if they don't agree with what he says, who's going to speak with anger passion to reflect their own anger and passion. that's what he's captured it shows how far to the right the tea party has gone and dragged the republican party with it, the party has exploited those voters now they have to live with them lanny davis i have to ask you, there's a poll out that shows that voters in iowa, virginia and colorado are struggling with trusting hillary clinton. how bad is this for her if it is at all? is it a worry for the campaign?
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>> it's a worry we see results about personal characteristics like trust. i find that not surprising in the last several months she's been subject to a lot of criticism on a number of issues in the national media. on the key issues of qualities to be president on strong leadership, on fighting back when she's down, all of the polls show that she has strong leadership numbers. and in the general election she's still going to be very strong against what will be a strong candidate if it turns out to be jeb bush. by the way, i wanted to say there's a sister soldier moment created here by donald trump. every republican -- and rick perry looks awfully good, now standing up to him, i think jeb bush was the first. every time that happens, it positions a republican as standing up to the base on something as crazy as trump and helps them in the general election. >> all right.
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lani davis and david corn. great to ask you with us tonight. appreciate your time. still ahead, fast food workers make their voices heard in the minimum wage debate. rapid response panel weighs in on how these protests are really paying off. and next, liein' eyes. milwaukee rezsidents are on the lookout for a ferocious feline? ♪ every auto insurance policy has a number. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation. have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24.
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people in milwaukee are on the lookout for a lion on the loose. authoritieses are scrambling to find the creature. residents are on edge. craig melvin has the latest. >> reporter: look closely, could it be a lion hanging out in downtown milwaukee? kelly brooks didn't see one in his backyard. but he did see his neighbor's video. >> this is a real lion, something could have happens to me. city officials received more than 2 dozen 911 calls from folks claiming to see a lion. >> it's not a rig -- a dog with mange or a house cat, it's much larger. >> they examined several paw prints and conceded it's likely a mountain lion. how did it get here? officials concluded it was just
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passing through. >> i couldn't run fast enough. i don't know what i'd do. >> just catch him. >> the sighting ss, the cat with his own twitter account. wild animals wandering city streets is unusual but not
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unprecedented. last year, this lion was spotted in the suburbs of los angeles. the search continues, people here hope the animal realizes it belongs in the wild. not downtown milwaukee. >> if the lion had been outside when you had come out, what
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would you have done? >> be honest? you would have gone back inside? >> i would have ran back inside. yes. >> craig melvin with the story tonight. still to come here on the ed show, the rapid response panel on the fight for living wage, and later, senator tom cotton of arkansas goes biblical with his opposition to the iranian nuclear deal. a stunning beat by amazon.com, the company post ♪
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welcome back to the ed show. a lot of workers are going to be getting a raise. the living wage battle has paid off in new york. workers should get $15 an hour. new york has the fourth largest fast food workforce in this country. the panel said taxpayers were subsidizeing the workforce with food stamps and welfare between fits. janet napolitano says uc is joining in the whole country should be moving in this direction. in washington, d.c., the $15 an hour battle is now moving to the
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voting booth. city officials approved an initiative to put it on the ballot in 2016. eleanor holmes norton says labor needs to keep up the momentum. >> you started it you started the way the only way to get this 15 and the next 15 is to form yourself into a union. >> the country is watching for labor's next move, and, of course candidates who want to be the next commander in chief. joining me tonight professor of georgetown university, also with us tonight, joel berg executive director of the new york city coalition against hunger. dr. dyson, we have touched quite a bit on this income inequality issue, what does this mean that state by state community, county by county we are seeing a shift
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shift? what does this mean to lower income families and will it have a real impact? >> it's a lifeline, ed. people deserve to live decently. this boost in income is significant. it allows them child care some flexibility in terms of work hours, especially as divvied out between a husband and wife. they can buy better groceries more gas for the car, so to speak, and it makes the quality of life overall a better thing. the union's strength is to protect the workers. if they are on the doll not because they're lazy this is a tremendous thing and corporations and other employers ought to pay their fair share when it comes to the american
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worker. >> what does this do to food pantrys, to the food stamp program? would this lessen the burden do you think? >> no question ed. i attended one of governor cuomo's wage board hearings, worker after worker testified they don't have enough money to feed their families. if the mcdonald's of the world whine they can't somehow afford to pay their workers enough to feed their families, i say trade in their golden arches for some bronze arches and use the saving s to pay their employees. >> it's not exactly as if they're going to be jumping right into the middle class. if you look at the profits of the fast food industry? we're talking about an industry
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who makes millions and the people there doing the work can't afford to feed their families. you know, this has taken a movement, what does it say about other issues? for instance, scott walker who wants to be president of the united states removed the words living wage from wisconsin's budget. how can he expect to win the presidency, when when the country is moving in one direction, and he's going somewhere else? >> he can't. and workers and american sit agains need to make him pay for that kind of lapse. >> the vast majority of the people in this country are those who have to depend on this minimum wage. they are the ones who are making these businesses go, and as my colleague said if they cry poverty themselves when we know that their dividends are extraordinary, the ability to make money rests upon the backs
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and labor and the hands of these people that are working for every day, shame on them. bernie sanders emphasis on economic inequality and a vastly just distribution of wealth is extremely important, he shouldn't be the only one holding up that banner we should press this for every candidate that's in this race to become president for the united states of america. >> is this going to be a political issue in 16? if this takes hold and you see real progress being made in pockets of the country where the minimum wage is going to $15, how much is that going to help senator sander ss? >> i think it will help any elected official who standses behind the basic proposition if you work hard and play by the rules, you shouldn't be poor if you say you're against safety net programs that lift people
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out of hunger, for goodness sakes, support increases in wages like governor cuomo has pushed through so that families don't need to rely on these benefits if they're working full time. >> i don't know what this is going to do to union membership, but it shows if workers stand together good things can happen. >> i saw the benefits of uaw in my family and the lives of other people. labor has taken a bad wrap and people have demonized it without the presence of a strong union the benefits of hard work will not be protected. as bill clinton, as barack obama and as any other president worth his or her salt has indicated if you work hard and invest in the work that you do, you should derive a living wage from that
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work. what sense does it make to demoralize the americans. the quality of life will go up, strong unions means strong citizens which means a strong america. >> great to have you with us tonight, joel berg and michael eric dyson, thanks for your time on this vital issue. if we're going to address income inequality in this country. this is a great start. thousands protest the proposed iranian deal. secretary of state continues to sell the deal on capitol hill. we'll have details coming up. hi my name's josh. kelly. my name is raph. steve. my name is anne. tom. brian. krystal. and i am definitely not a robot. i'm one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. whether it's for your business or your personal life, don't let unanswered legal questions hold you up. because we're here. we're here we're here and we've got your back. legalzoom. legal help is here.
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the numbers have been rolling in all night. here are the results of tonight's poll. you think trump's proposal of a border wall is a good idea? 44%, it was like 26%. it's jumped up. 44% of you say yes, 56% of you say no. keep voting until the end of the hour. i'm gonna crack like nobody's watching and eat like i skipped lunch. why? because red lobster's crabfest is back. and i'm diving into so much crab so many ways. like crab lover's dream
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so instead of waiting on hold, we'll call you when things are just as wonderful... [phone rings] but a little less crazy. we're doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. good to have you back with us. finally the iranian nuclear fight is reaching biblical proportions. earlier today republican senator tom cotton made a fiery reference when talking about john kerry's handling of the negotiations. >> this may have been a firm line that iran would not draw and the united states negotiating team was refusing to draw their own line or to walk away from the deal. so john kerry acted like pontius pilate knowing they would not get this information unless
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someone went to find it. >> this morning secretary kerry went before the committee to make his case for the deal. overnight, new york city, thousands jammed into times square asking congress to drop it. republican presidential hopeful marco rubio says the next president will undo the deal. >> this is a deal whose survival is not guaranteed beyond the term of the current president. and by the way i hope that the next president is someone who will remove the national security waiver and reimpose the congressional hispanics were passed by congress because this deal is fundamentally and irreprably flawed. i believe it weakens our national security and makes the world a more dangerous place. >> i am confident the next president of the united states will have enough common sense that if this is being applied properly, if it is being implemented fully, they won't just arbitrarily end it. >> secretary kerry said if congress rejected this deal, the opportunity to negotiate would
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not come along again. >> we don't lose anything here. the way we lose is by rejecting the deal. >> if you think the ayatollah will come back and negotiate again with an american, that is fantasy. >> congress is now in that 60-day period to review the deal. we're just a few days into it. president obama has said he would veto a bill rejecting this deal. i'm joined once again by david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones, and msnbc political analyst. if there is no deal david, where does this take us? i mean the republicans act as if he can trash this deal, be done with it and start all over again and put this sanction grim on the iranians and we don't have anything to worry about when it comes to them possibly a nuclear power. which could walk us into war. some experts have said this. where is this on capitol hill with the republicans? >> the big conceptual difference
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here divide is that republicans are acting as if the united states has the ability to, on its own, to dictate the terms of a deal and force it and punish iran if there is no deal. now, that's really in reality not true. the last time we thought that we could go into the middle east on our own essentially unilaterally. we had the brits with us but not too many others and change the reality in the region. it didn't work out according to the plan. the same people who advised that are now saying we can do it again. well, if you jetson this deal, not only do the iranians not come back to the table but perhaps more important, the russians, the chinese and our european allies don't come back to the table. without their participation in the sanction regime, there is not enough clout on the u.s. side to force iran to a deal.
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we already have sanctions in place unilaterally, u.s. sanctions that will continue. they're there for other reasons than the nuclear program. that are not affected by this deal. so coming back and saying we'll go back to more u.s. sanctions will not be enough of a stick to get iran to give us what they claim will be a better deal. so they're left with no deal whatsoever. iran free to do what it wants with its nuclear program. >> what about the credibility of who is doing the talking? who is tom cotton? i look at john kerry. this secretary of state has been around foreign relations for almost 40 years of his life. tom cotton was in elementary school when john kerry was dealing with foreign relations issues. is this guy, is this the anointed critiquer of the republican party on this deal? he seems to be getting more pub and out there more than anybody else and now he is invoking some
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religious connotations to his criticism in all of this. >> i think the only reason he didn't go full out on john kerry is that they're waiting to call barack obama judas. right? because, after possibility just pilate, what do you have left? i guess there's satan. tom cotton. regardless of his youthful looks and lack of experience is really the front man in a lot of ways for the neo con conservative wing of the republican party. the same people who told us again and again that iraq would be a cake walk box lead to democracy throughout the region and have yet to apologize for not finding wmds and for killing hundreds of thousands of iraqis and tens of thousands, several thousands americans and injuring tens of thousands of gis. they have no credibility on this
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front. yet there is tom cotton popping off and he will continue to. and marco rubio is doing the same. you have lindsey graham and john mccain. they're pretty united on this front. >> you have some folks running for the presidency who are on the senate foreign relations committee. how many of presidential politics and positioning is in all of this rhetoric that we're hearing against the deal? >> well, republicans don't want to give obama credit for anything. because essentially, if you're running for president, they know that about a quarter if not more of the republican base, believes obama is a secret muslim socialist who wants to destroy america. so of course a guy like that won't make a good deal with iran. he will use it for his agenda to destroy the country. so there is no way that they can be fair reasonable, let alone support this deal and still have a chance at winning the republican nomination. so that's part of the dynamic
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here. but generally, the hawks out there with the exception of rand paul who is not a hawk are going to pound away and not have a reasonable debate. >> so your take on your gut feeling on whether the president and vice president win this tug-of-war on capitol hill. >> well i think the republicans will succeed in voting against this. but i doubt at the end of the day, it will be a veto proof majority. so the deal will go through. and john kerry said something very smart. by the time the next president comes along, the year and a half down the road, at that point he or she should have evidence to indicate whether this deal is working or not. and intelligence that indicates whether it is working or not and then can make a reasoned decision. for anybody to say now that i will pull the plug on this on, january 21, 2017 strikes me as being just irresponsible
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political talk. >> mother jones bureau chief in washington david corn with us on the ed show. appreciate it. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation." donald trump hits the border. he says he is going on win the nomination. and if not he's threatening to run as an independent. and jeb bush says he wants to, quote, phase out medicare. what exactly does he mean? it will be a big issue for 2016. plus, sandra bland's mother is speaking out. i'll talk to her in an exclusive interview tonight. her first since her daughter's death. thanks to you for tuning in. we start with donald trump at the
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